Date: Fri, 1 Jan 93 19:39 BST From: Richard Lim Subject: Macintosh-IBM PC Comparison report I'm submitting this report from comp.sys.mac.system on behalf of its compiler, Bruce Grubb. The report still isn't complete, and Bruce (bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu) is therefore very much on the lookout for contributions from Digest readers to flesh it out. Even now, it still makes for thought-provoking reading on that venerable area of controversy, the relative merits and deficiencies of Macintoshes and IBM PCs. Both hardware and software statistics, features and possibilities are covered. I'll quote Bruce's preamble and let you download the rest for yourself: "The reason for this general data sheet is that people in both camps are not clear or accurate about what they are saying about their machines. When completed, this data sheet will, I hope, enable us to make convincing and intelligent comparisons between Mac and IBM. To help keep this organized, please provide, if possible, article citations for the information provided or corrected. Also keep it simple so I can understand what is being talked about. "Since this is a data sheet let's keep the opinions to a minimum. Also, give me the info to make it complete as opposed to just saying it is incomplete, and keep the information relevant to the section corrected." --------------------blurb ends, report commences--------------------------- Mac & IBM Info-Version 1.0 The reason for this general data sheet is that people in both camps are not clear or accurate about what they are saying about their machines. When completed, this data sheet will, I hope, enable us to make convincing and intelligent comparisons between Mac and IBM. To help keep this organized please provide, if possible, article citations for the information provided or corrected. Also keep it simple so I can understand what is being talked about. Since this is a data sheet let's keep the opinions to a minimum. Also, give me the info to make it complete as opposed to just saying it is incomplete, and keep the information relevant to the section corrected. {For example, OS code in ROM is hardware and not software, so no more of the 'but it is supported in OS software' data for the hardware section, please.} Thank you. Thank you all for your information. With special thanks to ANDREW@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu (Chihuahua Charlie), bell-peter@YALE.EDU (Peter Bell), cj00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Carl B Jabido), fj05+@andrew.cmu.edu (Faisal Nameer Jawdat), julian@deepthnk.kiwi.gen.nz (Julian Harris), Erick.Krueger@um.cc.umich.edu, krueger@engin.umich.edu, matt@wardsgi.med.yale.edu (Matt Healy), nan@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Nan Zou), pwagner%us.oracle.com, s_fuller@iastate.edu, strobl@gmd.de (Wolfgang Strobl), jkirvin@pafosu1.hq.af.mil, phill@ichips.intel.com, sxjcb@orca.alaska.edu (Jay C. Beavers), Lewis Kawecki@novell.com, lamont@catfish16.rtsg.mot.com (Bradley Lamont), and mikew@apple.com for providing information for this list. Contents CPUs Hardware Monitor support Expansion Operating system Network & Printing The CPUs Note: I am only showing the Motorola & Intel CPUs used in the Mac and the main IBM machines. This is why, for example, the Motorola 68008 and 68010 are not listed: Apple never used these chips in the Mac. Years only appear with dead CPUs and indicate first to last year used as a CPU. IBM ALU Registers External cache Features/ CPU bus address Notes 8088 16 16 8 20 ? {197?-1989} 8086 16 16 16 20 ? {197?-1989} 80286 16 16 16 24 ? Protected Mode & segmenting 80386 32 32 32 32 ? MMU & 32-bit Protected Mode 486sx 32 32 32 32 one 8K? 80486 - FPU 80486 32 32 32 32 one 8K 80386 & FPU 486dx2 32 32 32 32 one 8K doubled internal clock rate* 486dx3 being demoed. 20/60 mHz, 25/75 mHz, and 33/99 mHz planned. Pentium 32 32 64 36? code & RISC-like features, data superscalar, Write-Back (386) 64 bit FPU path, pipelining, 100+ MIPS performance** PowerPC: The chip is out and rumor has it that IBM may build its PowerPC 601 in EARLY 1993 (InfoWorld June 8, 15/92, 92; MacWeek 7/13/92) It is also rumored that the 601 machine will be four times as fast as a 50 MHz 486dx2 running Windows.{Since both the PowerPC and the OS [PowerOpen] for it are a year ahead of schedule it could give the Pentium chip a run for the money. Apple and IBM hope that programs from five OSs (DOS, Windows 3.x, OS/2, Mac OS, & UNIX {PowerOpen-AU/X 4.0}), will run on this using emulators to run on top of PowerOpen and, later, the Taligent OS and if necessary the OSes themselves (Like SoftPC does on the Mac.)} 386sx 386 chip with 32 bit internal architecture, & 16 bit external. 386slc low power 386 with a chip cash. Used mainly in laptops. * ex. in a machine with a 50 Mhz dx2 the chip runs at 50 MHz, the rest of the machine runs at 25 MHz. **according to Intel. It is to be out in the first quarter of 1993 (InfoWorld July 27/92; Vaporware 9/92). MAC ALU Registers External cache* Features/ CPU bus address Notes 68000 16 32 16 24 none {1984-1993} 68020 32 32 32 32 i; 256 {1987-1992} 68030 32 32 32 32 two 256 MMU 68040LC 32 32 32 32 two 4K 68040 - FPU** 68040 32 32 32 32 two 4K MMU, FPU, doubled internal clock rate*** 68050 development discontinued in favor of 68060 68060 32 32 32 32 Branch 68040, Superscaler pipelining, target cache line bursts, better FPU, equivalent capabilities & speeds to Pentium**** PowerPC: Chip is out and rumor is that the 601 machine will be three times as fast as a Mac Quadra and Apple's PowerPC 601 will be about a year latter then IBM's. Rumor is that some NuBus boards containing early samples of the PowerPC have been given to Apple's "A-list" developers (InfoWorld August 3, 92; Vaporware 9/92; PC Week Dec 7/92, and MacWeek 12/14/92) *caching includes data(d) and instructions(i). The 68030, 68040LC, & 68040 have caches for both. **a variant of this to be used in the Centris 610 due out on Feb. 15, 1993 (MacWeek 11/02/92). Unclear as if a 68040LC will be used or Motorola will go and design a special chip. ***According to Bradley Lamont and the Motorola 68040 data book the 040 has 2 clocks, one internal (PCLK) that is 2x the freq of the external clock (BCLK) which is the one used to rate the chips. Since some internal calcs are done using the PCLK, the 68040 can be considered a clock doubler chip even though Motorola does not call it such. ****according to Motorola. (PC Week Sept 7; 14/92) CPUs comparison List: As a general rule of thumb Motorola chips are faster then Intel chips at the same frequency {040/25 ~= 486/33}, but Intel has chips at higher frequencies then Motorola, so this evens out. The Macintosh Bible 4th ed. supports the comparisons between Intel and Motorola chips for the 68020 and above. 8088/8086 ~ 68000 {16-bit vs 16/24/32-bit chip (data path/address lines/data and address registers. The ALU determines the bit classification of chips so the 68000 is 16-bit despite the higher bits of the External Address(24) and the Registers(32). This is more of a 'de facto' compairison then anything else since the 68020 pairs off better with the 286 (See notes on 286 and 68020 below) and these chips were the lowest of their respective lines when the Mac came out in 1984. Side note: the 8088/8086 was discontinued in 1989 and the 68000 goes out as a CPU in February 1993.} 286 ~ 68020 {286's hardware segmenting vs. 68020's 32-bit ALU and the fact that both these chips come before their MMU (80386, 68030) successors. The protected mode of the hardware segmenting is used by OS/2 1.0 though 1.3 and Windows 3.X. The use of the hardware segmenting and its 16-bit nature put the 286 between the 60000 and the 68030 in features. Side note: the 68020 went out as a CPU with the end of the LC and the 286 is almost gone as well.} 386 ~ 68030 {The MMUs, protected memory, and 32-bit nature of these chips puts them roughly together. AU/X 3.0 is at present the only Mac OS to use the protected memory feature of the 68030.} 486sx ~ 68040LC {same as 486 and 68040 but without the FPU; used as a low cost solution for people who do not need the FPU.} 486 ~ 68040 {two 32-bit microprocessors with built-in FPU, MMU, 8K internal cache. The cache is implemented as two 4K caches in the 68040 and one in the 486. The 68040's double speed internal circuitry may make it more on par with the 486dx2. Any conformation?} Pentium ~ 68060 {Both are planned to be superscalar but may flounder against the earlier released PowerPC chip. Too early to compare these.} (PC Week Sept 7 & 14 on 68060) PowerPC = PowerPC {This is the only CPU to be used by both IBM and Apple and is planned to run programs from DOS, Windows 3.x, OS/2 and Mac OS as well as parts of these OS on top of the Taligent OS which the prototype is PowerOpen (AU/X 4.0)} Hardware Color Support/Display Mac: All present Macs except the Classic support the use of 32-bit color in hardware. This is done in ROM by 32-bit color QuickDraw, which allows programs to use 32-bit color even if the monitor does not display it; older machines that supported color {SE/30, II, IIX, and IIcx} had only 8-bit color in ROM and needed a software patch to use 32-bit color. (MacUser Special 1993: 28-29) To keep costs down and speed up most Macs have only 8 or 16 bit display capability built in, and most of those can be expanded to display 24 bit color. 32-bit color QuickDraw allows an almost transparent capability to display and edit X-bit images in Y-bit color (Where X and Y are 1, 2, 4, 8, or 32 in any combination) regardless of monitor resolution {63 dpi (12" color) to 80 dpi (full page grey)} with as little distortion as possible since QuickDraw is presently optimized around 72bpi; QuickDraw QX will, hopefully, change this. This means that even though you can use only 256 or 32,768 of the colors at a time, all 16,777,216 colors are still available and are simulated at lower resolutions by dithering. (This is the reason for CLUTS, so the program knows which set of colors to use with a picture and what 32-bit colors the dithers really are.) Having 32-Color Quickdraw in ROM also has an added benefit. With a hardware video adaptor and no added software a Mac with monitor support can use an Autosynchronous Monitor (Range must include 66.7 hz vertically and 35 hz horizontally and the monitor must be VGA, MCGA and/or SVGA compatible) as if it was a Mac monitor (MacUser August 1992: 158-176) So present Macs can view and edit 32-bit color pictures on some VGA, MCGA and SVGA monitors just as if they were equivalent Mac monitors. Sound output: Standard in all Macs since the Plus. IBM: According to Faisal Nameer Jawdat, PC's have no internal hardware (ROM) definition of how the operating system interacts with the video hardware, and so it is left up to the OS and video hardware in question. In addition, according to Matt Healy, IBM never bothered to provide a standard hardware mechanism for software to determine what display mode is actually present. As a result some modes are very hard to detect unless the OS is very well written. {With no IBM equivalent of 32-bit color QuickDraw in hardware, editing 32-bit pictures in 8-bit mode regardless of OS and monitor type may be more difficult then on the Mac. Any conformation?} Later IBM machines will have integrated graphics accelerators, faster processors, and modular upgradeability and may have built in sound cards, CD ROM, and Ethernet. (PC Week Dec 14/92) MDA (Monocrome Display Adapter) original character-mapped video mode, no graphics, 80x25 text. CGA (color graphics array) 320x200 4 colors or 640x200 b/w, 16 color palette, bad for the eyes. EGA (enhanced graphics array) 640x350 16 colors from 64 color palette (and some lower res); some versions could run at 256 colors, bearable on the eyes. VGA (video graphics array) 320x200 at 256 colors, 640x480 at 16 colors, and some others, these two are the most commonly used. All modes have a 256K color palette, from a 18-bit CLUT (Color LookUp Table). Monitors use analog input, incompatible with TTL signals from EGA/CGA etc. MCGA (multi-color graphics array) subset of VGA that provides all the features of MDA & CGA, but lacks some EGA and VGA modes, like VGA 640x480x16 (Dictionary of Computer Terms). Common on the initial PS/1 implementation from IBM and some PS/2 Models. SVGA (super VGA) This is not a standard in the way the others were, but instead was a 'catch all' category for a group of video cards. As such, with each manufacturer using their own implementation scheme, SVGA was chaos with people debating as to what is SVGA and what is not. In an effort to make SVGA more of a standard VESA was established and is used in the newer units, but things are still a mess. Video is either 512K [~1990] or 1M [today], resolution of 800x600 and 1024x768 at 16 and 256 colors are common, newer ones [since 1990] have the Sierra HiColor RAMDAC, giving 15-bit 32,768 colors at 800x600, some of the very newer ones [~6/92] can do 24 bits per pixel [usually at 640x480]. Speedwise, too much variation, some very slow [Western Digital Paradise based, for example], some very fast [S3 86C911 based, for example], some are so-so [like Tseng ET4000, a very popular chipset]. Some limiting factors: 8.33 MHz ISA bus, AT architecture where the CPU looks at the card through a 64K "window", etc. Other standards not classified as SVGA: 8514/a: IBM's own standard, graphics accelerator with graphics functions like linedraw, polygon fill, etc. in hardware. Uses interlacing. Some clone implementations from ATI are the fastest video available today, though some models do not have interlacing. TMS34010/34020: high end graphics co-processors, usually >$1000, some do 24-bit, speeds up vector-oriented graphics like CAD. XGA (eXtended graphics array) newer and faster than 8514/a, only available for MCA bus-based PS/2s, clones are coming out soon. Emulates VGA, EGA, and CGA. (Dictionary of Computer Terms). Max resolution at 1024x768x8b, same as 8514/a, also some 16 bpp modes. XGA-2 Accelerates graphics functions up to 20 times faster than standard VGA in Windows and OS/2, including line draws, bit and pixel-block transfers, area fills, masking and X/Y addressing. Has an intelligent way to detect and co- exist with other XGA-2 cards, so multiple desktops like on the Mac may not be far away. Since this is an architecture, its resolution and color depth isn't fixed {IBM implements only 16-bit [65,536] color, while other companies can have 24-bit color though IBM technocal licenses. Refresh rates up to 75 Hz, ensures flicker free, rock solid images to reduce visual discomfort, and is VGA compatible. Up to 1280x1024 on OS/2. Expansion Mac: All Macs since the Plus have a SCSI interface and SIMM memory expansion. SCSI: used for almost all external devices. Printers, monitors, and modems each have their own interfaces built in and are unrelated to SCSI. PDS: Available in the SE and all present Modular Macs. NuBus: Supported in all Modular Macs except the LC, LCII, and Performa 400. The SE/30 could be adapted to use this as well. CPU expansion is handled either through the PDS or the NuBus. Some Nubus CPU cards, like the Radius Rocket, allow use of both processors at the same time. SCSI-2: a faster implementation of SCSI. At present only the Quadras have parts of the necessary hardware build in to use this; other Macs require a NuBus card. Also the SCSI Manager in the OS needs to be totally rewritten to take full advantage of features like wide and fast SCSI. IBM: {need more info} Memory expansion is through parity-checked SIMMs, same as special Mac IIcis or by memory boards. {Parity SIMMs are more expensive then 'normal' SIMMs and their importance is at present questionable with error correction in OS and other parts of the hardware available. For example, the Mac will not boot if something is seriously wrong with the SIMMs or hardware and give a chord indicating what the problem is.} Side Note: to find the number of SIMMS that a full x-bit chip requires to run at full speed, divide x by 8. So, 16-bit requires two SIMMS, 32-bit requires four, and 64-bit requires eight. One way to get around this is to halve the data path, but this can half the speed of the machine so its a trade off. {LC II uses a 32-bit chip but a 16 bit data path so only 2 as opposed to 4 SIMMS are required; the 386sx is the IBM equivalent.} HD Interfaces: MFM (Modified Frequency Modulation), RLL (Run Length Limited) hard drive only interfaces, and only used in smaller [2 60mb] hard drives. IDE (Integrated Drive Electronics) currently the most common standard, and is used for medium sized drives. Can have more than one hard drive. Hard disk only interface. ESDI (Enhanced Small Device Interface) generally considered better than SCSI in many ways but not common enough for practical consideration. Can have more than one hard drive. {Is this also limited to hard drives only?} SCSI not too wide spread yet, generally not bundled with systems, except as add- on. Can support up to 7 devices per SCSI controller. One problem: here's no exact specifications for the controller so incompatibilities result. BUS interfaces {More info please, this is Greek to me.} ISA dominant factor, but it's showing its age. Uses edge-triggered interrupts, can't share them, hence comes the IRQ conflict. Limited busmastering capabilities. 8 and 16 bit, most cards aren't bandwidth limited (COM ports, LPT ports, game ports, MIDI card, etc.), though ones like video and disk controller are. Most ISA motherboard designs today have memory on a 32 bit path direct to the processor. MCA IBM's 16 and 32-bit bus; "allows use of more then one CPU in a computer" (Dictionary of Computer Terms) and anything can talk to anything, as fast as the two components involved can handle it. Never took off because it was incompatible with ISA and EISA. EISA Is 32 bit, runs at 8.33 mHz and has the ability to self-configure cards like MCA. Also allows multiple bus masters, sharable interrupt and DMA channels, and burst mode throughput 33MB/sec. VESA Local Bus (VLB) {Sometimes mistakenly refereed to as PDS} The standard of Local Bus. VLB is limited to three slots but allows bus mastering and is basically a cheap man's EISA or MCA. Can run at high speeds (CPU clock rate, 25/33 MHz), huge bandwidth (~130 MB/sec), which makes it ideal for video and disk I/O. PCI Intel's version of Local Bus that is intended to totally replace ISA/EISA/MCA Not going anywhere presently, because it's not completed. OSes {assumes full installation [print drivers, fonts, Multifinder, etc.] and multiple application use.} Mac 512K and 1MB of OS code has been put into ROM with a 2MB version in the works for Feb 1993. The idea behind this is three fold. First, it gives greater control over the hardware interface, i.e. prevents the development of clones and therefore allows for greater control over hardware-software standards. Second, the OS and programs do not have to contain redundant code to support things like monitors, networks, menus, and printing and are therefore smaller. Finally, since part of the OS is in hardware it is more difficult for programers to write their own hardware implementation drivers independent of Apple's guidelines then it would be if the entire OS was software. 6.0.7: Requires 2 MB and HD floppy and features a GUI, sudo-multitasking (MultiFinder), standard program interface, & standard stereo sound support (snd). Has a 8MB RAM barrier and is a 24-bit OS. Some third party products allow 14MB of Virtual Memory as long as real RAM is below 8MB. 6.0.8: 6.0.7 with 7.0.0 print drivers 6.0.8L: System 6 for new Macs that require System 7. 7.0.1: Base requirements: 2MB, 40MB Hard Drive, and a 68000; to run well: 4 MB, a 80 MB Hard Drive, and a 68030. It has 6.0.7 features and AIC (between computers), built in network support, Virtual Memory in machines with MMU{1.6 times real RAM for least noticeable speed degradation on a IIsi}, & drag and drop. Can access up to 1GB of true RAM and 4GB of virtual memory and is both a 24 and 32-bit OS. Supports sound input (AIFF and snd formats) for most present machines. 7.1.0: 7.0.1 with WorldScript support and less RAM usage then 7.0.x.(MacWeek 8/24/92; 9/14/92; PC Week Sept 7/92) {The installer has a bug that when upgrading from 7.0.X it may keep the old system fonts from 7.0.x inside the system file. This can eat up any RAM benefits and cause other problems.} AU/X 3.0(Unix): Needs 8MB of RAM{12-20MB suggested}, a 160MB hard drive, and something the power of a 68030 or 68040 to run. Large due to the need for translators between UNIX and ROM. 32-bit OS. PowerOpen(AU/X 4.0): Rumor is that it is ahead of schedule to the point it COULD be out by by early 1993. Planned to run on 386, 486, 68030, 68040, and PowerPC chips. (MacWeek 7/13/92] 32-bit OS. Note: sound output was supported in OSes 4.1 to 6.0.5 by many formats including the following: snd, WAVE, ASND, FSSD, QSSN, SMSD, SOUN, dc2d, and DCFL. In 6.0.7 the sound manager optimized for the sound standards 'snd' and AIFF which causes some playback problems for the old formats, though most still play. IBM Uses the idea of placing almost everything into the OS. This has the advantage of the commands being loaded into RAM and therefore having faster implementation. It also has the advantage of being able to better optimize the code given a certain piece or collection of hardware which is harder with a ROM based system. It also reduces the need for patches if a major revision of the hardware support is needed. Side note: The FTC has brought charges against MicroSoft for forming a OS trust by not providing all feature documentation for its OSes to developers outside MS and designing its Windows and DOS apps to fail under OS/2 ("Undocumented Windows") and "There is deliberate code in [Windows] NT Beta which causes the install to abort if OS/2 Boot Manager is present" (Gregory Hicks, Info-IBMPC Digest V92 #201) DOS 5.0: Has a 640K barrier with its own memory manager, a 1 MB barrier with third party memory managers. Each program must provide its own print drivers and is 16 bit. DRDOS 6.0: same as DOS 5.0 with some extras {like built-in data compression} and memory management enhancements. Still has 640K/1MB barrier. A later version of this may use a version of the Mac finder and Apple file management system. (PC Week and InfoWorld Dec 14/92) Window 3.1: runs on top of DOS. Breaks 640K and 1M barriers but still has to deal with DOS file structure. Base requirements 1 MB, floppy and a 286; to run well 2MB, Hard Drive, and 386sx. Has a equivalent of Mac's QD called Windows GDI (Graphics Device Interface). Rumor of a 16 MB RAM barrier on some machines due to hardware. Windows for Workgroups: intermediary between Win 3.1 and Windows NT. It is basically Windows 3.1 with network support. Windows NT: The beta release takes about 50M of disk space [including the swap file], and requires 8-12 MB of RAM, which is what the final version is expected to require. Rumor mill is that the final version is not to be available before Oct 1993. (InfoWorld May 25/92; July 6/92; Vaporware 07/92; 08/92.) Also PC Week Sept 28/92 points to a 3rd or 4th quarter 1993 release date. Some people see a July 4 release date (InfoWorld Nov 16/92) OS/2: Unix like features and unix like requirements; 8 MB of RAM, a 60MB hard drive (uses 17-33MB on HD), and 386 CPU. Has to use a virtual swap file to use more then 16 MB RAM on ISA systems. IBM plans to use Taligent's OOPS in future versions of this. (InfoWorld Oct 26/92) 32-bit multithreaded, multitasking os. AIX: IBM's UNIX system, planned to be a subset of Taligent OS and PowerOpen. Mac 7.0: {Maybe} Apple has System 7.0 running off Intel Chips and is looking at making this version available for IBM. {Another wait & see. Maybe a testing of Apple OS code on a Intel chip for PowerOpen} (ComputerWorld Nov 2/92) DOS programs will probably require an Emulator/interpreter to run, al la SoftPC. PowerOpen(AU/X 4.0): Rumor is that this could be the OS for IBM's PowerPC 601 due out in early 1993 [Apple's PowerPC 601 is not due out until Jan 1994.] {Supports the theory of Apple planning to be both a hardware and software company.} Network (Includes printing) Mac Hardware: Connection is though the printer or modem port for AppleTalk which needs special connectors beyond two machines ($15 and up) Ethernet requires a card [PDS or Nubus] in most present machines and the hardware support for each machine runs about $250-$300. TokenRing has recently come to the Mac world as a network option. Software: AppleTalk, Ethernet, and Novell Netware. The first two are provided with each machine though the server software is extra. Printing requires connection of the printer and the printer being selected in the chooser. Changing printers is by selecting a different name in the chooser. IBM Hardware: Appletalk (not widely used), Ethernet, and TokenRing. Software: Novell Netware, Banyan Vines, DECNet, Windows/Work Groups Each of the MS-DOS networking schemes are, in general, totally incompatible with the others. Once you have chosen one, you are pretty much locked-in to that product line from then on. Windows/Work Groups is a little more forgiving and removes some of this problem. Novell Netware is the biggest, {It controls something like 80 percent of the corporate market.} and in general is more powerful and offers better control/management/security than AppleTalk, but it's designed around a mainframe type set-up. This will change due to the use of the Mac finder and file management system by Novell. (PC Week and InfoWorld Dec 14/92) Printing {Looks like a mess. Need more info} DOS: If it's a single user, then you plug the printer into the parallel port, and don't worry about it. {Tweeking may be needed with poorly written software.} Network Printing is not controlled by the system; it is mostly implemented by the actual program, therefor performance varies from one software program to the next. Windows 3.x: supports standard drivers and can do a good job of showing "jobs" in the print queue, but it always lists printers as "active"... even if they are not. This becomes a problem if there are several incompatible printers on the same net, because there's no way for software to reliably determine which printer is active right now. Windows for Workgroups is more Mac-like and intelligent about this. OS/2: Mac-like; the os deals with the printers, with apps making calls to the OS. Price issue: Apple has dropped prices for dealers 15% to 20% (MacWeek 8/17/92), the Preforma line is out, and some IBM monitors can be used with Macs which cuts some more of the cost. (MacUser Aug 1992:158-176) IBM is planning cheap machines as well with a 25 MHz 386SLC model with a 60MB hard drive and color VGA for less than $1,200 is planned.(MacWeek 8/17/92) These changes will in the LONG term change the price issue. Too early to tell though. Bibliography notes 'Vaporware' is available in the digest/vapor directory on Sumex (36.44.0.6) and is by Murphy Sewall, From APPLE PULP H.U.G.E. Apple Club (E. Hartford) News Letter $24/year, P.O. Box 18027, East Hartford, CT 06118. Phone #: "Bit Bucket" (203) 257-9588 {"These are rumors folks; we reserve the right to be dead wrong!"} 'Info-IBMPC Digest' back issues are available from wsmr-simtel20.army.mil in directory PD2: 'Dictionary of Computer Terms 3rd ed.' (ISBM 0-8120-4824-5) These are the facts as they were known to me on 1/01/93 and may be changed by new developments, announcements, or corrections. Corrections to the information are welcome. Please email corrections to CompuServe ID: 72130,3557 AOL: bruceg6069 Internet: bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu or post them to comp.sys.mac.advocacy.